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About The Gates Thing

Posted by Mags on July 26, 2009 – 6:33 pm

Over at Hullabaloo, Digby has what I consider the best ‘take’ on this whole Gates deal. I don’t know if anybody has noticed but since Obama was elected the ‘race’ thing has been heating up. I guess electing a black man as POTUS was the straw that broke the back of the Klan types, overt or covert. Anyway, go read Digby’s take on GateGate. It’s an eye opener. The link is in the title of this post.

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  1. 1. Terrible Said:

    Digby is right as usual. A society where peaceful law abiding citizens are expected to be subservent to "law enforcement officers" is a tolaterian police state. The very idea is damn unAmerican! I don't take any shit from police if they are getting abusive in the least bit. Job place harrassment laws are very specific that even if you PERCEIVE there is abuse it is a problem that has to legally be addressed. And if the company doesn't do it then it can go to the courts. Why in the world would that same logic not apply to peaceful law abiding citizens dealings with "law enforcement officers"? Turns out in the eyes of many judges that same logic DOES apply. Saw a comment at RawStory earlier that said there have been a couple of similar cases in Mass and the court found the cop to be out of line. And that a law abiding citizen does indeed have every right in America to tell the POS off if he's being a POS.

  2. 2. Terrible Said:

    "Crowley the cop is a hot-tempered idiot. Massachusetts law is clear on this:

    In Commonwealth v. Lopiano, a 2004 decision, an appeals court held it was not disorderly conduct for a person who angrily yelled at an officer that his civil rights were being violated.

    In Commonwealth v. Mallahan, a decision rendered last year, an appeals court held that a person who launched into an angry, profanity-laced tirade against a police officer in front of spectators could not be convicted of disorderly conduct.

    Is it too much to expect of a cop that he has some familiarity with the laws he is supposed to enforce?"

  3. 3. RenB Said:


    I spent most of the morning running over this topic with my friend. Abroad.

    Yeah, it made the fucking news.

    And why I thought the topic is important, capitalised.

    The truth is, 'they' (who are in power) never care.

    We went back and forth over this this morning.

    So I brought up the non-plus-ultra example of what that is like.

    An August night, dog day nights, so hot, you could suffocate, couldn't sleep, and just went outside at three in the morning, to walk up to a park some miles away… just to get some AIR… It was stifling, for our northern climes…

    And I got stopped by a police car half-way there. And asked for ID, which I thankfully had….

    So they said I wasn't going anywhere and drove me home pronto.

    I had just spent a year abroad, and no one ever stopped me for anything whatever.

    I was lucky I am Caucasian.

    The discussion got twisted so terribly this past weekend, that most people are missing the point.

    My other run-ins with the 'fine' people of the police where I grew up were exactly as denigrating.

    It wasn't just about race. If you were poor, you were loading a lot of trouble on your plate.

    So I think it was a good thing that this came up as a theme, although it is never a good time to talk about, esp. not now.

  4. 4. Terrible Said:

    It wasn't just about race. If you were poor, you were loading a lot of trouble on your plate.

    Around here I'd say that it's a very good chance that you have better odds getting pulled over for doing 5 miles over the speed limit in a perfectly legal but beat-up car then for doing 20 miles over the speed limit in a brand new high end car. Especially so in Randolph, VT. I refuse to patronise any businesses in that shithole if they want to have their police harrass the business patrons.

  5. 5. Anntichrist S. Coulter Said:

    WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!

    I know for a FACT that I left a comment on here about Professor Gates and that snoopy bitch who called 911, and it's GONE!

    Fuck fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuckity fuckity fuckity fuck fuck.

    If I remember it, I'll be back. Fuck.

  6. 6. he flips Said:

    Basically, the cop should have left the house when he discovered Gates was the owner. Even if Gates was yelling at him.

    His feelings were hurt because he responded to a call by the book. He should have said "ok fuck you sir I'm leaving," not "You're under arrest." That's where the problem is. The cop is not a racist just an asshole. Which is why he's a cop.

  7. 7. Mentis Fugit Said:

    The transcript of the 911 makes interesting reading and puts the caller in quite a complimentary light.

    Here's one copy.

    • She correctly mentions suitcases, not backpacks.
    • She does not mention race until asked by the dispatcher, at which point she says she's not sure, though one of the men might be Hispanic.
    • She repeatedly says she is not sure what is going on, and clearly states that the men may live or work in the house.
    • She clearly states the men may have just had trouble with their key.

    Whoever deserves opprobrium for this affair, I don't think the 911 caller should have any directed their way.

  8. 8. Anntichrist S. Coulter Said:

    If she doesn't think that they're doing anything "wrong," then WHY DID SHE CALL??? Sounds like a passive-aggressive excuse to me. She saw dark-skinned men in her neighborhood, or whatever alleged "elderly" person she placed the call "for," and then pretended like there was no "reason" FOR HER TO HAVE CALLED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    Biatch, please. Yeah, the same reason that people get stopped for Driving While Black (or poor, or poor-white-trash, or hispanic or asian or what-the-fuck-ever). They're not DOING ANYTHING WRONG, but the cop or caller thinks that, since they're DIFFERENT from the cop/caller, then automatically, they MUST be "up to something."

    Sorry, Mentis, we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I know that people in New Zealand might be far more conscionable and/or upright about their motivations, but not over here. People in America THRIVE on passive-aggressive little power-plays, that's why people become cops and join PTAs and get alarm systems in their houses. Not because of a LIKELIHOOD that something bad will happen, but because of their own insecurities that lead them to HOPE that somebody does something TO them, to "justify" their bigotry.

    They wanna be bait, AND they wanna make sure to get the message across to Professor Gates that, no matter how long he's owned a home in that neighborhood, he's still A BLACK GUY in a rich, majority-white neighborhood, if not in even worse terms. Yes, even the scholarly and allegedly higher-evolved "libruls" have different scruples when it comes to NIMBY.

    And "He Flips," I find it interesting that you came here, after your "ooh, icky-poo nasty vagina" Terrence Howard-style commentary @ World O'Crap.

  9. 9. Mentis Fugit Said:

    Annti, a significant percentage of the populace don't like to Get Involved, which leads to passive-aggressive-style indirection in reporting situations they're not sure about.

    What convinces me she's not part of the problem is that she never mentioned race at all in her account, and when pressed on that point by the dispatcher, she ducks it as much as humanly possible ("might be…not sure…") and even gets that wrong. She couldn't see, and didn't want to guess.

    Unfortunately, people like that are malleable. They can go into a witness interview with their version of the facts, and come out with the interviewing officer's. Which is why it is fortunate we have a transcript of the call.

    To my mind, the interesting point of contention is how much of Crowley's conduct was specifically racist, and how much was undifferentiated asshole-with-a-badge. There I think you and I would also differ – in a civilised and respectful fashion, of course – on the relative proportions.

    Or, shorter: yep, lets agree to disagree.

  10. 10. CC McGoon Said:

    Gates sent the caller some flowers:

    "ooh, icky-poo nasty vagina" Terrence Howard-style commentary

    Baby wipes!

  11. 11. Anntichrist S. Coulter Said:

    Well, the flowers are lovely and all, but if that hadn't been Skip Gates, those charges wouldn't have been dropped. It still sucks that the copy arrested him in the FIRST fucking place, but let's face reality: there was no "beer summit" for Rodney King. There was no "beer summit" when one of my best friends in New Orleans' cousin was shot IN HER FRONT YARD, despite multiple arrests & a restraining order against her ex, WHEN THE FUCKIN PIGS of NOPD ***ARRESTED THAT GIRL'S MAMA ON A DUI CHARGE THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN STRICKEN FROM HER RECORD. She was holding her own daughter as she lay dying, WAITING AND WAITING AND WAITING for a fucking ambulance to get to the fuckin 9th Ward (what's another dead black person? Pfft!), when the fucking cops PUT THE FUCKING CUFFS ON HER AND TOOK HER DOWN TO ORLEANS PARISH PRISON.

    So yay for Skip, yay for the cop, yay for Obama, but let us never forget the power of celebrity. If skip hadn't been rich, they'd have tasered his ass when they arrested him, and if he hadn't been Professor Gates, the charges wouldn't have been dropped, nor would the story ever made headline news.

    And you just HAD to bring up that nasty-assed Terrence Howard link again, didn't you?!?!?!?! Mormons, missy. At dawn.

    Make ME lose my gawddamned dinner reading that motherfucker's closet-case misogyny… hmph. "Doesn't like being touched" — uh huh. Sounds like he was either raped as a kid or he just finds ALL women "icky." Pick one. Personally, as vehement as he is about the baby wipes, I'd say it's B.

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